nov 2019 transcript tian wei  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tROuOnY4FO8

coherent spaces  south korea? hong kong -  maybe japan
pt


00:00
welcome back you're still watching world
00:02
inside a gym way the 5g era Louvre ever
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closer in the rapid development stage of
00:08
5g Beijing host the 5g world Convention
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which harnesses the latest trends of
00:13
industrial transformation with the theme
00:16
of 5g changed the world to create the
00:18
future what are the challenges that
00:20
determine the extent of 5 G's global
00:23
reach before our discussion take a look
00:26
at all of this new development 5g
00:31
technology has entered our lives with
00:34
features like ultra high speed and
00:36
multiple connections in China its
00:39
commercialization at the end of October
00:42
has brought more attention and
00:44
discussions like at the first world 5g
00:47
convention in Beijing the convention
00:51
aims to build a platform to promote
00:53
exchanges demonstration and cooperation
00:56
in 5g technology and benefit the entire
00:59
world and more applications on the way
01:03
to foster a new way of life for example
01:08
there's smart mining Factory and medical
01:10
treatment we've had relatively good
01:12
solutions for these applications based
01:14
on 5g technology and provided relevant
01:17
services to these vertical industries
01:19
and deeper integration is being made
01:21
among 5g and other technologies and
01:24
industries third Jubilees Alijah
01:28
for example in health care we're seeing
01:30
telemedicine remote 5g robotic surgery
01:33
and use of holograms to visit elderly
01:35
distant in a housebound of patients 5
01:38
G's also transforming manufacturing and
01:41
transportation many companies have found
01:43
opportunities Moochie Helios with 5g is
01:47
combined with artificial intelligence
01:48
great efficiency improvement is seen in
01:52
the retail industry this includes a
01:54
completely intelligent supply chain and
01:56
smarter consumption experience and there
01:59
are still many challenges the biggest
02:01
concern is a security issues caused by
02:04
big data flow due to 5ts broadband and
02:07
ultra-high speed therefore there are
02:11
suggestions
02:12
the security system for the 5g era
02:15
should be called a membrane which will
02:17
filter five things namely the network
02:20
identity applications Big Data and
02:22
behaviors an operative commercialization
02:25
of 30 more attention will be paid to
02:28
this area and the regulations of more
02:31
applications according to experts
02:39
[Music]
02:42
serving the next wave of world 5g
02:46
Convention who's serving the next wave
02:48
of 5g innovations let's loop in our
02:50
panelists from different parts of world
02:52
in Boston we had Roger Anthony who is
02:54
the founder and lead analyst of wreckin
02:57
analytics in Washington DC we are joined
03:00
by Ernest McDuffie the founder of the
03:03
global McDuffie group last but not least
03:04
in our aging studio guy cooker an
03:07
associate professor from the School of
03:08
Computer Science and Technology from
03:10
China Institute of Technology and I want
03:14
to welcome to 3w mister guy starting
03:17
from you commercial use of 5g network is
03:20
already available to mobile users here
03:22
in China but how good is the service so
03:25
far mr. guy very briefly from you well
03:28
for for the department I we all know
03:31
there are two steps the first one is to
03:33
have infrastructure that step is to have
03:37
app ecosystem for the first step I do
03:39
think we will finish it you know this
03:41
type of very soon we know the change the
03:43
IT companies and the majors of its
03:45
providers are trying to build up in the
03:48
front full function of F G network
03:50
throughout the country so I think this
03:52
data may take a roundabout 1/2 years but
03:55
for the next stop it may takes a longer
03:57
time because building a plant ecosystem
04:01
will require around 3 or 5 years or even
04:04
move three or five years first stage of
04:07
one or two years of mr. enter now agree
04:09
with that what does that mean for the
04:11
rest of the world well what we need is
04:16
yes it will take several years for 5g to
04:21
really become on its own we have to look
04:25
at wireless net
04:26
works as a foundation on which
04:27
innovation will happen and that takes
04:30
several years we need first to have
04:32
networks to tens if not hundreds of
04:36
millions of people and then the
04:38
innovation will come and the 5g that we
04:42
have right now is it's baby steps there
04:45
are still several innovations under the
04:47
5g standard coming that are absolutely
04:50
critical to make a big difference when
04:54
we look at 5g right now 5g is a little
04:58
bit faster than 4G but that's about it
05:01
and that's not really what 5g is about
05:04
right it's much more than just the speed
05:06
itself baby step mr. McDuffie how big is
05:11
the baby step now is everybody making
05:13
the baby step now I think there are baby
05:16
steps being made and I I don't think
05:18
they're that big here in the United
05:20
States it seems to me that it's more
05:22
marketing campaign than it is an actual
05:25
technological way out there trying to
05:28
get people excited about the prospect of
05:30
what it will bring but in terms of
05:32
reality like everyone else has just says
05:35
the reality is years in the future
05:37
yes I guess this a different story when
05:39
it comes to the China story because
05:41
China is developing the 5g and also the
05:45
networks are being developed right now
05:46
but the question really is mr. guy as
05:48
you mentioned earlier whether the speed
05:51
of development would catch up with the
05:53
expectations of the consumers that's the
05:55
thing isn't it mr. guy yeah I do think
05:57
of as well that's it usual and let me
06:00
talk about this caution probably we will
06:03
think about this issue in two ways the
06:06
first one is infrastructure I do think
06:08
the transit company are doing a better
06:11
job than its foreign competitors for
06:14
example that's talked about way I do
06:16
think this Chinese high-tech joint it's
06:20
doing a good job in making trips that
06:22
are so well be used at its base stations
06:24
for faculty but on the other side again
06:27
when talk about ecosystems well it takes
06:30
a long time even though we have our own
06:32
operating system employing harmony we
06:35
don't have enough users that's actually
06:37
used the system so
06:39
it takes a long time to attract actual
06:41
users to actually use the operating
06:44
system and attract developers to develop
06:46
enough apps running on the opt-in system
06:50
right of course we're talking about two
06:51
different things one is the 5g
06:53
availability of it basically speaking to
06:56
ordinary subscribers and users of
06:59
telecom companies and secondly you are
07:01
talking about a system in which China
07:04
will be mainly be the player of
07:06
innovation you create a system in which
07:09
China does not necessarily need that the
07:11
import of all of the important operating
07:14
system as the forty or 3G has been using
07:17
which is provided by some of the foreign
07:20
companies now those are two very
07:21
different things we're still talking
07:23
about the first thing so mr. Aznar if
07:26
others are not hurrying up is China
07:28
market itself with the amount of users
07:32
that you have already seen people's
07:34
enthusiasm in this market will be able
07:36
to produce something at least for the
07:38
rest of the world to look at if the rest
07:40
of world are not catching up well China
07:42
certainly as the most populous nation
07:45
and launching in the top 50 markets will
07:49
create a significant market we are
07:51
seeing already the promise for example
07:55
South Korea has already launched 5g
07:57
wireless usage of 5g users is five times
08:02
higher than that of 4G users and people
08:05
get used to the higher speeds that the
08:08
South Korean systems are providing when
08:11
we come to equipment for example there
08:15
will be chipsets coming next summer that
08:20
will allow different frequency bands in
08:23
5g to be used and that will be for
08:25
example in the iPhone which is a huge
08:28
device here in the United States but
08:30
also in China and they will be all 5g
08:33
capable so I think give it six months
08:37
give it a year in two years and you will
08:41
have the right devices the right in
08:46
enough people's hands okay that this
08:49
will really work out Chinese companies
08:51
are also at
08:52
forefront of 5g devices and oneplus for
08:57
example in the u.s. is launching with
09:01
t-mobile when they are launching their
09:04
nationwide 5g network with 200 million
09:07
people coverage on December 6 so we see
09:12
already the different baby steps at
09:14
different areas and countries and mr.
09:16
McDuffie now there are still
09:19
geopolitical reasons that is preventing
09:21
the 5g technology which has been the
09:24
core competition tool a flyweight for
09:27
example from China to be used elsewhere
09:30
particularly in the US market so do you
09:33
think there's going to be different
09:34
systems when it comes to 5g as a result
09:37
of geopolitics well Europe on the other
09:39
hand at this point is quite neutral
09:42
saying that they are not necessarily
09:44
refusing any company or any company from
09:47
any specific country yes I think the
09:51
global marketplace will generate
09:54
competing systems initially for sure
09:57
there's going to be that competition to
10:00
see which systems perform better which
10:03
systems are more most trusted that's
10:07
part of the geopolitical issue is our
10:09
can you trust that there aren't you know
10:12
nefarious software embedded in the
10:14
systems and allow you know nations or
10:17
companies to take advantage of others so
10:19
once those things get sorted out I think
10:21
eventually you'll either come down to
10:24
one or two systems that dominate the
10:26
marketplace or you'll find a method of
10:30
being able to operationalize these
10:33
systems so that they cooperate with each
10:36
other and won't really demand one to
10:38
just take over the other
10:39
if the multiple systems can operate and
10:42
communicate with each other that they'll
10:44
probably settle into their own niches
10:47
mr. McDuffie I have to say you are
10:49
talking about a gigantic topic once all
10:52
the disputes are settle down then the
10:54
co-operators will be able to figure out
10:56
a way that they can have access to each
10:58
other's and be able to work together
11:00
you're talking about a long time my
11:02
friend but but I won't
11:04
I want to come back as to the topic I
11:06
missed and learn you know mr. McDuffie I
11:08
know him he's always a help you mr. guy
11:09
but mr. Engler you know what about that
11:12
there are several issues here when it
11:14
comes to whether one tip or one
11:17
technology is being trusted
11:19
I guess it's it's neutral which means
11:22
that there could be an suspicions about
11:24
Chinese entities and also the Chinese
11:26
consumers could also be suspicious of
11:29
other producers so from the United
11:33
States particularly and I guess in
11:35
Europe that they have the same concern
11:37
as earlier cases indicated so so this
11:40
camera what do you make of that whether
11:42
you know the trust is the issue here
11:45
when it comes to whether technologies
11:47
will be used and improved or the other
11:51
way around technology improvement will
11:53
likely create more trust in this case 5g
11:57
mr. Antonov I think to a certain extent
12:00
we're talking all about hardware here
12:02
right now but we're missing the bigger
12:04
picture that 5-1 of the building
12:06
components of 5g is that Network things
12:11
that are being done right now in
12:13
Hardware are being virtualized means
12:16
they turn into software so the base
12:19
station equipment at the edge of the
12:21
network will become dumb equipment but
12:25
then instead all of the software that
12:28
runs the edge and the base stations will
12:32
be in the core of the network and that
12:34
will be a massive change for how we
12:39
build wireless networks and design it
12:42
this will open up the market for many
12:46
more companies and the security concern
12:48
for the equipment that is now at the
12:52
antenna will become a lot less now the
12:54
security concerns around what controls
12:59
the hardware will become a lot bigger
13:02
and so we'll see what happens over time
13:05
here and I don't think there's a lot of
13:07
change going on according to all the
13:10
factual report not suspicions a rather
13:14
factual reports based on evidence and
13:16
the real
13:18
facts that Intel has been having some
13:21
problems with backdoor and rebuilding
13:24
and collecting private informations
13:26
coming from other countries that has
13:27
already become part of the international
13:29
press coverage well Huawei has been
13:31
suspicious quote-unquote by the American
13:34
side without the latter side providing
13:36
any evidence in the name of national
13:39
security so far to the public now what
13:42
we know it's only public information or
13:44
whatever we do not know about what the
13:47
US security circle has been talking
13:49
about within themselves that's not
13:50
information available to us so now in a
13:53
public domain is like that so mr. a guy
13:56
at how to understand how do you see this
13:59
debate about hardware and in the process
14:01
of moving up to software as mr. Anton or
14:04
earlier indicated how do you see this
14:07
process likely to be is it going to be
14:09
smooth or this is going to be a lot of
14:11
the exacting in the process well this is
14:14
really really big usually in in cyber
14:17
security because building up of the
14:19
trust is really hard in computing field
14:21
well actually there is no evidence to
14:24
prove that Bobby it's creating bad girls
14:27
it needs to hardware that's according to
14:29
the open source and I think we need to
14:32
have like a new technology to solve the
14:34
problem because technology is moving
14:37
forward there there will be new problems
14:40
in new technologies like example
14:42
nowadays people talk about blockchain
14:44
because blockchain system can create a
14:47
trustful environment for computing
14:49
because everybody could have sex to it
14:51
at any time of the day right yeah
14:53
exactly so everybody has a copy of
14:56
adapter which means we can record every
14:59
activity or events happen in the system
15:01
so you think technology as he improves
15:03
it would be able to solve some of the
15:05
trust issues as we see today yes I do
15:08
think so because we can you know
15:10
so partial problems even though we
15:11
cannot solve the full problem of but
15:13
still we have we can have a solution
15:15
that sounds wonderful but are you as
15:18
optimistic as mr. McDuffie because
15:20
you're also talking about pretty long
15:23
term I have to say to find the so-called
15:25
technology solutions to the trust issue
15:28
mr. McDuffie
15:29
you want to also talk to
15:31
friends about that yeah I think I think
15:34
we need that we have to be optimistic I
15:36
think one of the things that drives the
15:38
optimism is the practicality of
15:41
commercialism
15:42
in order to for companies to maximize
15:46
their profits interoperability is key
15:49
and the trust issue with the marketplace
15:53
is also key so you not only have to have
15:56
those kind of technological advances you
15:59
have to have standard practices you have
16:02
to have ways to punish bad actors and
16:06
and we have to remember it's not it's
16:08
not just a nation-state spying on
16:11
nation-states their criminal elements
16:13
that are global that are in some respect
16:16
much more dangerous to the everyday
16:20
citizen then the spy versus spy stuff is
16:23
because the the global criminal
16:25
enterprise is trying to take money out
16:28
of the everyday citizens pocket directly
16:30
so there's there all manner of threats
16:33
out there and you have to look for
16:35
technological and policy and governance
16:38
solutions across the board mr. Antonov
16:41
obviously mr. McDuffie is trying to
16:43
remind the tool of view that she's not
16:45
just a pure optimistic he says a very
16:48
pragmatic person the common threat
16:50
quote-unquote in his words would bring
16:53
people countries companies together and
16:56
commercial interest which is recognized
16:59
globally could also solve the problem do
17:02
you think so in what timeline yes and no
17:09
so I'm always an optimist and I always
17:12
want people to work together right
17:15
reality shows us that's not always the
17:18
case I think there will be cooperation
17:21
when it comes around combating criminal
17:25
elements and and and the alike it's just
17:30
like when we are moving into software
17:31
this becomes even harder
17:33
you know Microsoft's Windows operating
17:37
system they just fixed a bug that's in
17:40
there for 30 years that you could use
17:43
to access the network so software makes
17:45
things certainly more complicated let me
17:48
wrap up today's discussion by asking a
17:51
last question but also very important
17:53
question that is 5g communications it's
17:56
only you know the 5g mobile phone it's
17:58
only a very small proportion of what 5g
18:01
could do and what could be its potential
18:04
from all of us perspective where is it
18:08
heading for what can 5g really bring to
18:11
us let's just say five years from now
18:14
when the technologies are becoming more
18:17
mature when the infrastructures have
18:20
been somewhat well established at least
18:23
McDuffie you want to go first sure so
18:27
it's hard to predict five six ten years
18:30
out what's going to happen but you have
18:31
to think about 5g as part of a
18:34
continuing evolution there's going to be
18:36
6g there's going to be 7g I've even seen
18:38
reports of people talking about what 8g
18:41
looks like these are all just platforms
18:43
that are going to give new technical
18:45
capabilities to masses of people I think
18:48
the real important intersection to look
18:50
at beyond the platforms is what is
18:53
artificial intelligence going to do with
18:55
those platforms what is Big Data is
18:57
impact on those going to be a high
19:00
performance computing when you bring
19:02
those three areas together and put them
19:05
on top of a high performance of a
19:07
platform like five g6g ends up promising
19:10
to be there unpredictable game changes
19:14
that will come out of that and we have
19:16
no idea of what they're going to be
19:17
right now you know that is exactly why
19:19
it's exciting isn't it it's a guy you're
19:21
thought well I want to talk about two
19:24
things that the first one is developed
19:25
individual D life o because in the past
19:28
ten years people have already from
19:31
familiar with using a single function
19:35
app but in the few to ten years people
19:37
will say a larger apps to be the
19:39
multiple functions because in the past
19:41
apps what restricted supply the network
19:44
speeds the second thing that I wanna
19:46
measure is the belt industrial internet
19:49
so this is a real power of 50 in the
19:51
future it's partially in China we know
19:54
China has a lot
19:55
and in the future we was a lot of smart
19:57
smart manufacturing they happen in in 15
20:01
years all right and last but not least
20:04
in the center what we expect I'm most
20:07
excited about what's called edge
20:09
computing where basically the things
20:14
that we can do right now on our devices
20:16
is constrained by how many how much
20:19
power the phone has but when you have a
20:23
really fast connection with no latency
20:26
base basically no waiting time you can
20:31
put all the computing power on a data
20:35
center near your base station and
20:38
suddenly you have supercomputer
20:43
computing power in the palm of your hand
20:45
the things like picture recognition that
20:49
takes ten seconds 20 seconds on the
20:53
phone today you can do enough in one
20:56
second or a fraction of a second because
20:58
you're not constrained by how how big
21:02
the phone can be how hot how how
21:05
powerful the device can be all of that
21:08
can be moved to a data center and the
21:12
phone can change dramatically because
21:16
then all the computing will happen in
21:18
the cloud and you can have a very thin
21:20
long-lasting phone because it doesn't
21:24
need the computing on the device there's
21:27
a lot of because it's over there
21:28
obviously one leads to another and the
21:31
syphon is ever coming if we can handle
21:34
some of the geopolitical issues well
21:36
probably the innovation will be coming
21:39
even faster than we can expect thank you
21:42
so much for the thrill of you for
21:44
joining us and helping us to understand
21:45
the potential the real potential is to
21:48
speak 5g for all of us thank you
21:51
Roger Adler Ernest Mike Duffy and guy
21:54
could come

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ChinaDiaspora:East's Superports -HK, Taiwan, Singapore...

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Continental agrarian keynsianism

Diaspora 3rd richest;

Moon landing

intel starts up 68 moores-law doubling of chip capacity every 2 years

Satellite age lifts off

If societies around the globe are spending 4000 times more on global village connections (#2030now versus 1946) then it stands to reason that sustainable millennials will need to demand 10 times more value from community networking and mobile open source services such as health education local value chained markets/banks, energy, safety and peace


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AMYgeneratoinS.jpgHack Coursera Sgoal 1  2  3 ..

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note 1984 system transformation finding: the most valuable innovations need to transform systems by taking many parties through a common conflict barrier at the same time

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Brits and Eastern Europeans who could save millennials goals

dannyboyle chrispatten butler-sloss marianowak tomhunter georgesoros bernerslee michael palin gorbachev, Lech Walesa

Asians who could : sir fazle abed, jim kiim, jack ma,  W4E, Gandhi family Lucknow

Africans who could: Taddy Blecher, Noel Samara, Mandela Elders

Mid-East who could: Latif, Legatum

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