5g

[chris macrae]

nov 2019 transcript tian wei  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tROuOnY4FO8

different system = main client devices not people as users= america last as overall lnation because needs  different operators than 4g

coherent spaces  south korea? hong kong -  maybe japan

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welcome back you're still watching world
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inside a gym way the 5g era Louvre ever
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closer in the rapid development stage of
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5g Beijing host the 5g world Convention
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which harnesses the latest trends of
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industrial transformation with the theme
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of 5g changed the world to create the
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future what are the challenges that
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determine the extent of 5 G's global
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reach before our discussion take a look
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at all of this new development 5g
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technology has entered our lives with
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features like ultra high speed and
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multiple connections in China its
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commercialization at the end of October
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has brought more attention and
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discussions like at the first world 5g
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convention in Beijing the convention
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aims to build a platform to promote
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exchanges demonstration and cooperation
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in 5g technology and benefit the entire
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world and more applications on the way
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to foster a new way of life for example
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there's smart mining Factory and medical
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treatment we've had relatively good
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solutions for these applications based
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on 5g technology and provided relevant
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services to these vertical industries
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and deeper integration is being made
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among 5g and other technologies and
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industries third Jubilees Alijah
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for example in health care we're seeing
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telemedicine remote 5g robotic surgery
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and use of holograms to visit elderly
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distant in a housebound of patients 5
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G's also transforming manufacturing and
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transportation many companies have found
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opportunities Moochie Helios with 5g is
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combined with artificial intelligence
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great efficiency improvement is seen in
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the retail industry this includes a
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completely intelligent supply chain and
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smarter consumption experience and there
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are still many challenges the biggest
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concern is a security issues caused by
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big data flow due to 5ts broadband and
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ultra-high speed therefore there are
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suggestions
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the security system for the 5g era
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should be called a membrane which will
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filter five things namely the network
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identity applications Big Data and
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behaviors an operative commercialization
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of 30 more attention will be paid to
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this area and the regulations of more
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applications according to experts
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serving the next wave of world 5g
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Convention who's serving the next wave
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of 5g innovations let's loop in our
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panelists from different parts of world
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in Boston we had Roger Anthony who is
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the founder and lead analyst of wreckin
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analytics in Washington DC we are joined
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by Ernest McDuffie the founder of the
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global McDuffie group last but not least
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in our aging studio guy cooker an
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associate professor from the School of
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Computer Science and Technology from
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China Institute of Technology and I want
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to welcome to 3w mister guy starting
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from you commercial use of 5g network is
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already available to mobile users here
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in China but how good is the service so
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far mr. guy very briefly from you well
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for for the department I we all know
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there are two steps the first one is to
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have infrastructure that step is to have
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app ecosystem for the first step I do
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think we will finish it you know this
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type of very soon we know the change the
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IT companies and the majors of its
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providers are trying to build up in the
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front full function of F G network
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throughout the country so I think this
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data may take a roundabout 1/2 years but
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for the next stop it may takes a longer
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time because building a plant ecosystem
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will require around 3 or 5 years or even
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move three or five years first stage of
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one or two years of mr. enter now agree
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with that what does that mean for the
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rest of the world well what we need is
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yes it will take several years for 5g to
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really become on its own we have to look
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at wireless net
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works as a foundation on which
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innovation will happen and that takes
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several years we need first to have
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networks to tens if not hundreds of
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millions of people and then the
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innovation will come and the 5g that we
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have right now is it's baby steps there
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are still several innovations under the
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5g standard coming that are absolutely
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critical to make a big difference when
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we look at 5g right now 5g is a little
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bit faster than 4G but that's about it
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and that's not really what 5g is about
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right it's much more than just the speed
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itself baby step mr. McDuffie how big is
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the baby step now is everybody making
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the baby step now I think there are baby
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steps being made and I I don't think
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they're that big here in the United
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States it seems to me that it's more
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marketing campaign than it is an actual
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technological way out there trying to
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get people excited about the prospect of
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what it will bring but in terms of
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reality like everyone else has just says
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the reality is years in the future
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yes I guess this a different story when
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it comes to the China story because
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China is developing the 5g and also the
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networks are being developed right now
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but the question really is mr. guy as
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you mentioned earlier whether the speed
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of development would catch up with the
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expectations of the consumers that's the
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thing isn't it mr. guy yeah I do think
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of as well that's it usual and let me
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talk about this caution probably we will
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think about this issue in two ways the
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first one is infrastructure I do think
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the transit company are doing a better
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job than its foreign competitors for
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example that's talked about way I do
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think this Chinese high-tech joint it's
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doing a good job in making trips that
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are so well be used at its base stations
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for faculty but on the other side again
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when talk about ecosystems well it takes
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a long time even though we have our own
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operating system employing harmony we
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don't have enough users that's actually
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used the system so
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it takes a long time to attract actual
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users to actually use the operating
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system and attract developers to develop
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enough apps running on the opt-in system
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right of course we're talking about two
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different things one is the 5g
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availability of it basically speaking to
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ordinary subscribers and users of
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telecom companies and secondly you are
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talking about a system in which China
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will be mainly be the player of
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innovation you create a system in which
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China does not necessarily need that the
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import of all of the important operating
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system as the forty or 3G has been using
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which is provided by some of the foreign
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companies now those are two very
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different things we're still talking
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about the first thing so mr. Aznar if
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others are not hurrying up is China
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market itself with the amount of users
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that you have already seen people's
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enthusiasm in this market will be able
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to produce something at least for the
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rest of the world to look at if the rest
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of world are not catching up well China
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certainly as the most populous nation
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and launching in the top 50 markets will
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create a significant market we are
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seeing already the promise for example
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South Korea has already launched 5g
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wireless usage of 5g users is five times
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higher than that of 4G users and people
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get used to the higher speeds that the
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South Korean systems are providing when
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we come to equipment for example there
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will be chipsets coming next summer that
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will allow different frequency bands in
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5g to be used and that will be for
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example in the iPhone which is a huge
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device here in the United States but
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also in China and they will be all 5g
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capable so I think give it six months
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give it a year in two years and you will
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have the right devices the right in
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enough people's hands okay that this
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will really work out Chinese companies
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are also at
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forefront of 5g devices and oneplus for
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example in the u.s. is launching with
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t-mobile when they are launching their
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nationwide 5g network with 200 million
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people coverage on December 6 so we see
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already the different baby steps at
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different areas and countries and mr.
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McDuffie now there are still
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geopolitical reasons that is preventing
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the 5g technology which has been the
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core competition tool a flyweight for
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example from China to be used elsewhere
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particularly in the US market so do you
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think there's going to be different
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systems when it comes to 5g as a result
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of geopolitics well Europe on the other
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hand at this point is quite neutral
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saying that they are not necessarily
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refusing any company or any company from
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any specific country yes I think the
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global marketplace will generate
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competing systems initially for sure
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there's going to be that competition to
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see which systems perform better which
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systems are more most trusted that's
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part of the geopolitical issue is our
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can you trust that there aren't you know
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nefarious software embedded in the
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systems and allow you know nations or
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companies to take advantage of others so
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once those things get sorted out I think
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eventually you'll either come down to
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one or two systems that dominate the
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marketplace or you'll find a method of
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being able to operationalize these
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systems so that they cooperate with each
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other and won't really demand one to
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just take over the other
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if the multiple systems can operate and
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communicate with each other that they'll
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probably settle into their own niches
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mr. McDuffie I have to say you are
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talking about a gigantic topic once all
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the disputes are settle down then the
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co-operators will be able to figure out
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a way that they can have access to each
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other's and be able to work together
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you're talking about a long time my
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friend but but I won't
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I want to come back as to the topic I
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missed and learn you know mr. McDuffie I
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know him he's always a help you mr. guy
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but mr. Engler you know what about that
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there are several issues here when it
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comes to whether one tip or one
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technology is being trusted
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I guess it's it's neutral which means
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that there could be an suspicions about
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Chinese entities and also the Chinese
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consumers could also be suspicious of
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other producers so from the United
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States particularly and I guess in
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Europe that they have the same concern
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as earlier cases indicated so so this
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camera what do you make of that whether
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you know the trust is the issue here
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when it comes to whether technologies
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will be used and improved or the other
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way around technology improvement will
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likely create more trust in this case 5g
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mr. Antonov I think to a certain extent
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we're talking all about hardware here
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right now but we're missing the bigger
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picture that 5-1 of the building
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components of 5g is that Network things
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that are being done right now in
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Hardware are being virtualized means
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they turn into software so the base
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station equipment at the edge of the
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network will become dumb equipment but
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then instead all of the software that
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runs the edge and the base stations will
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be in the core of the network and that
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will be a massive change for how we
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build wireless networks and design it
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this will open up the market for many
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more companies and the security concern
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for the equipment that is now at the
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antenna will become a lot less now the
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security concerns around what controls
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the hardware will become a lot bigger
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and so we'll see what happens over time
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here and I don't think there's a lot of
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change going on according to all the
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factual report not suspicions a rather
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factual reports based on evidence and
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the real
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facts that Intel has been having some
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problems with backdoor and rebuilding
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and collecting private informations
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coming from other countries that has
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already become part of the international
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press coverage well Huawei has been
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suspicious quote-unquote by the American
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side without the latter side providing
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any evidence in the name of national
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security so far to the public now what
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we know it's only public information or
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whatever we do not know about what the
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US security circle has been talking
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about within themselves that's not
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information available to us so now in a
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public domain is like that so mr. a guy
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at how to understand how do you see this
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debate about hardware and in the process
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of moving up to software as mr. Anton or
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earlier indicated how do you see this
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process likely to be is it going to be
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smooth or this is going to be a lot of
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the exacting in the process well this is
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really really big usually in in cyber
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security because building up of the
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trust is really hard in computing field
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well actually there is no evidence to
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prove that Bobby it's creating bad girls
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it needs to hardware that's according to
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the open source and I think we need to
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have like a new technology to solve the
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problem because technology is moving
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forward there there will be new problems
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in new technologies like example
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nowadays people talk about blockchain
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because blockchain system can create a
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trustful environment for computing
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because everybody could have sex to it
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at any time of the day right yeah
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exactly so everybody has a copy of
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adapter which means we can record every
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activity or events happen in the system
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so you think technology as he improves
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it would be able to solve some of the
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trust issues as we see today yes I do
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think so because we can you know
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so partial problems even though we
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cannot solve the full problem of but
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still we have we can have a solution
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that sounds wonderful but are you as
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optimistic as mr. McDuffie because
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you're also talking about pretty long
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term I have to say to find the so-called
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technology solutions to the trust issue
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mr. McDuffie
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you want to also talk to
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friends about that yeah I think I think
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we need that we have to be optimistic I
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think one of the things that drives the
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optimism is the practicality of
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commercialism
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in order to for companies to maximize
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their profits interoperability is key
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and the trust issue with the marketplace
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is also key so you not only have to have
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those kind of technological advances you
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have to have standard practices you have
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to have ways to punish bad actors and
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and we have to remember it's not it's
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not just a nation-state spying on
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nation-states their criminal elements
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that are global that are in some respect
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much more dangerous to the everyday
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citizen then the spy versus spy stuff is
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because the the global criminal
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enterprise is trying to take money out
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of the everyday citizens pocket directly
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so there's there all manner of threats
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out there and you have to look for
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technological and policy and governance
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solutions across the board mr. Antonov
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obviously mr. McDuffie is trying to
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remind the tool of view that she's not
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just a pure optimistic he says a very
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pragmatic person the common threat
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quote-unquote in his words would bring
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people countries companies together and
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commercial interest which is recognized
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globally could also solve the problem do
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you think so in what timeline yes and no
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so I'm always an optimist and I always
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want people to work together right
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reality shows us that's not always the
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case I think there will be cooperation
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when it comes around combating criminal
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elements and and and the alike it's just
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like when we are moving into software
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this becomes even harder
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you know Microsoft's Windows operating
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system they just fixed a bug that's in
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there for 30 years that you could use
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to access the network so software makes
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things certainly more complicated let me
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wrap up today's discussion by asking a
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last question but also very important
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question that is 5g communications it's
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only you know the 5g mobile phone it's
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only a very small proportion of what 5g
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could do and what could be its potential
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from all of us perspective where is it
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heading for what can 5g really bring to
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us let's just say five years from now
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when the technologies are becoming more
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mature when the infrastructures have
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been somewhat well established at least
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McDuffie you want to go first sure so
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it's hard to predict five six ten years
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out what's going to happen but you have
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to think about 5g as part of a
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continuing evolution there's going to be
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6g there's going to be 7g I've even seen
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reports of people talking about what 8g
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looks like these are all just platforms
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that are going to give new technical
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capabilities to masses of people I think
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the real important intersection to look
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at beyond the platforms is what is
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artificial intelligence going to do with
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those platforms what is Big Data is
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impact on those going to be a high
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performance computing when you bring
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those three areas together and put them
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on top of a high performance of a
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platform like five g6g ends up promising
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to be there unpredictable game changes
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that will come out of that and we have
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no idea of what they're going to be
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right now you know that is exactly why
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it's exciting isn't it it's a guy you're
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thought well I want to talk about two
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things that the first one is developed
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individual D life o because in the past
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ten years people have already from
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familiar with using a single function
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app but in the few to ten years people
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will say a larger apps to be the
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multiple functions because in the past
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apps what restricted supply the network
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speeds the second thing that I wanna
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measure is the belt industrial internet
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so this is a real power of 50 in the
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future it's partially in China we know
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China has a lot
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and in the future we was a lot of smart
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smart manufacturing they happen in in 15
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years all right and last but not least
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in the center what we expect I'm most
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excited about what's called edge
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computing where basically the things
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that we can do right now on our devices
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is constrained by how many how much
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power the phone has but when you have a
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really fast connection with no latency
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base basically no waiting time you can
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put all the computing power on a data
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center near your base station and
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suddenly you have supercomputer
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computing power in the palm of your hand
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the things like picture recognition that
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takes ten seconds 20 seconds on the
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phone today you can do enough in one
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second or a fraction of a second because
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you're not constrained by how how big
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the phone can be how hot how how
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powerful the device can be all of that
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can be moved to a data center and the
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phone can change dramatically because
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then all the computing will happen in
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the cloud and you can have a very thin
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long-lasting phone because it doesn't
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need the computing on the device there's
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a lot of because it's over there
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obviously one leads to another and the
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syphon is ever coming if we can handle
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some of the geopolitical issues well
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probably the innovation will be coming
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even faster than we can expect thank you
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so much for the thrill of you for
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joining us and helping us to understand
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the potential the real potential is to
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speak 5g for all of us thank you
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Roger Adler Ernest Mike Duffy and guy
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could come